After the Flood Interview Excerpts

Excerpt from Interview with Rachel Jones
Conducted by Colin Dabkowski
Rachel Jones was a public defender in Brooklyn until January 2005, when she moved to New Orleans to defend capital cases in Louisiana. She has worked at the Louisiana Capital Assistance Center in New Orleans since January 2005, and has been helping in the attempt to restructure the local criminal justice system. She is also the appointed counsel for several individuals who have become victims of the mismanaged prison system of post-Katrina New Orleans.

RJ: By the time [the sheriff] realized that he had to evacuate, by the time that there was a mandatory evacuation, it was already just such mayhem. The prison had already flooded, there were already people breaking out for survival, and to break out. It was such a disorganized mess, and you had all of these guys who hadn’t been fed, who had been in sewer water, essentially, for days.

VOW: How many people are we talking about? I’ve heard various total numbers of people who were in OPP (Orleans Parish Prison) at the time.

RJ: This is another level of problems. The sheriff was very reluctant to actually give us numbers of who was in OPP at the time that the hurricane hit. The number that’s bandied about a lot is 8,500. I think that number includes OPP and all of the other surrounding parishes that were evacuated. So that includes Jefferson Parish and that includes Saint Bernard…

VOW: Where were the other parish’s prisons evacuated to? Was it the same haphazard system?

RJ: Jefferson was evacuated, and they ended up being evacuated to all over the state. But their prison didn’t flood. There are some reports that there was some kind of chemical spill right near where the prison is in Jefferson Parish, but they got out—in relative terms—in a more organized fashion than OPP. And they also weren’t in the same sort of predicament as OPP is. OPP is in the lowest level of the flood plain, so it flooded, whereas the Jefferson Parish jail was never going to flood. Other places, because OPP was kind of hanging tough and weren’t going to evacuate, Saint Bernard inmates were evacuated to OPP. They went through the OPP nightmare and then got evacuated out of OPP when it was a mandatory evacuation... The places south of Orleans who actually got evacuated were sleeping in the gym at the Orleans Parish Prison when the mandatory evacuation was declared. When I went to various prisons throughout the state, they had people sleeping on the floor, on mattresses with a thin cotton blanket. And this was, like, weeks after the storm. They had no provisions for people. There were places with cockroaches and crickets jumping around all over the place and guys sleeping on the beds. It’s not like they had them in their bunks in cells. They just stuck them where they could. They had people sleeping in hobby shops…

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Kermit Ruffins Interview Sound Clip
An excerpt from our interview with Kermit Ruffins, New Orleans trumpet player and local legend:

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“I realize my responsibility now, especially after the Katrina thing... It’s just so incredible to me when I realize what I’m doing and what’s goin’ on before the storm, so now it’s kind of like double that or triple that…” Read the full excerpt...
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